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Guildmaster Cain · Mar 19, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Ooooh.... ignorant little sheep.

IF all magazines in the whole world would give a 2/10 to GW, that wouldn't give good publicity to GW, I agree. But in a rational world, that would never happen, unless GW really IS a sucky game. BUT GW isnt!

Your example of bad publicity aint rational, all magazines giving it a bad rating would never happen. If one magazine would do it with certain arguements, it would just raise the attention toward GW.

To get back on the bad publicity; this whole thread is about it! And look at the post count and number of views of this thread, compared to the days it has been active. This thread has just made Chapter 4 HOT.

Aerian_Skybane · Mar 19, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

Ooooh.... ignorant little sheep.

IF all magazines in the whole world would give a 2/10 to GW, that wouldn't give good publicity to GW, I agree. But in a rational world, that would never happen, unless GW really IS a sucky game. BUT GW isnt!

Your example of bad publicity aint rational, all magazines giving it a bad rating would never happen. If one magazine would do it with certain arguements, it would just raise the attention toward GW.

To get back on the bad publicity; this whole thread is about it! And look at the post count and number of views of this thread, compared to the days it has been active. This thread has just made Chapter 4 HOT.

Just to tone you down a little bit, you are forgetting the idea of popular status. That which is seeked for it greater demanded.

Basically, Ch4 was ALREADY a hot topic, the Inquirer and the impending PCG article made everyone here buzz about it, especially since the Inquirer basically whacked the hive before the honey was ready.

And the bad publicity stuff?? Doesn't apply to games. Remember Daikatana? SO much hype, lots of people panned, died almost instantly. Games are based on quality factors. Bad games aren't like bad music or movies, those can be laughed at, but a badly designed game (not just story and such, but EVERYTHING), does not sell well. Bad reviews won't help sell it. Besides, the PCG article with the new info in it wont be BAD publicity, refer to my earlier post. It is also a preview, therefore PCG, with most of their previews, are very optimistic about.

danyjr · Mar 19, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Let me make it clear for you guys:
Bad publicity is good publicity IF it is not related to your product/service.
What does that mean? Let's see the two examples below:

1- Marten Skoreze (a Hollywood director) directs a film called Top Guild. Every magazine and website in the world reviews Top Guild as a bad film. The film will be famous, but famous because it is an awful and boring film. Everyone talks about Top Guild on the streets, but no one will buy a ticket and watch it because everyone knows it is a crap film. In this case, bad publicity is bad publicity, because the publicity is directly related to the film.

2- Thom Cruz (a Hollywood actor) directs a film called Men of Honour. Upon the release of the movie in cinemas, the media report that Thom Cruz has slept with Angelina Golie, a married super-actress. This is indeed bad publicity, but turns out to be good publicity, because people will talk about Thom Cruz all day and they'll go: "Hey, let's see what his movie is all about". This is because the bad publicity isn't directly related to the film itself.

Note: All those names are completely fictional and should not be related to real people.

mikkel · Mar 19, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

Ooooh.... ignorant little sheep.

IF all magazines in the whole world would give a 2/10 to GW, that wouldn't give good publicity to GW, I agree. But in a rational world, that would never happen, unless GW really IS a sucky game. BUT GW isnt!

Your example of bad publicity aint rational, all magazines giving it a bad rating would never happen. If one magazine would do it with certain arguements, it would just raise the attention toward GW.

To get back on the bad publicity; this whole thread is about it! And look at the post count and number of views of this thread, compared to the days it has been active. This thread has just made Chapter 4 HOT.

Ignorant little sheep? Holy hell, do you get off over yourself? I'm sorry, but if anyone is ignorant, it's you.

This whole thread isn't about bad publicity. This thread is about some unsubstantiated rumour presented in a more or less objective manner. People are free to make up their own minds whether or not it's good or bad.

Bad publicity, on the other hand, would be bad reviews. Bad reviews are going to make people stay away from the game. Any publicity is *not* good publicity.

You used a flawed saying that isn't even applicable to what you were referring to. Own up to it instead of calling other people "ignorant sheep". You're the one being sheepish.

Scutilla · Mar 19, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06

I don't see how this can be considered "bad publicity". Yes, people are getting restless waiting for the magazine to arrive, but that's only due to people assuming the US postal service works faster than it does.

There's been nothing to cast GW in a bad light so far; all the anticipation is doing is getting people more excited about GW. Five minutes after the article's details are announced to the world most people will forget all about how they waited impatiently for the last week.

Orbberius · Mar 19, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Anet gives exclusive new chapter info to magazines => Magazine sales increase, magazine owners happy
Magazines happily provide lots of publicity (i.e. cover articles) to Guild Wars => Increased Guild Wars sales, Anet happy
New players playing the game because of magazine publicity => More success for Guild Wars, better chance of Guild Wars continuing, better for all players

Everybody wins, except the shortsighted people who can't see the bigger picture.

mikkel · Mar 19, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Orbberius

Anet gives exclusive new chapter info to magazines => Magazine sales increase, magazine owners happy
Magazines happily provide lots of publicity to Guild Wars => Increased Guild Wars sales, Anet happy
New players playing the game => More success for Guild Wars, better chance of Guild Wars continuing, better for all players

Everybody wins, except the shortsighted people who can't see the bigger picture.

Where in that obvious statement lies the bad publicity?

wsmcasey · Mar 19, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Yaga Philipe

Why, what's the difference between this and them announcing it at the website? Not much, it'll still be on the forums when it comes out.

The difference is that announcing it in a gamer magazine hits a larger audience of gamers. Like others have said, its more than likely a preview of what we might get and will probably be good hype that may influence non-guildwars players to pick up the next chapter.

Edit: I dont know why you guys are arguing over good or bad publicity, its a no brainer. The Guildwars chapters have all been successful and have won awards. Any pre-release information in a gamer magazine will be positive at this point and will be a boost for future sales.

Edit 2: Thinking back on it now, I picked up Guildwars back in 2005 because of the previews of Guildwars Prophecies in Game Informer Magazine. If I hadnt read the shining indepth article reviewing all aspects of the game, then Guildwars would have just been another box on the shelf at Best Buy.

frojack · Mar 19, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

The whole thing about publicity is weird in the games industry. There have been good games with good publicity that have sold (relatively) badly before. Just as there have also been bad games with bad publicity that have sold surprisingly well.
The only consistent trait that I'd be comfortable in recognising is that a game no one knows about sells less than one that everyone knows about. Sure, it sounds like common sense (and it is) but it's the only thing that is 'concrete' enough to make a 'statement' about.

It's also the reason marketing has been known to get a bigger budget than development. Which is awesome _-_ ....

Avarre · Mar 19, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Multiple posts deleted. Keep the gibbering wails of rage to a minimum.

Arduin · Mar 19, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orbberius

Anet gives exclusive new chapter info to magazines => Magazine sales increase, magazine owners happy
Magazines happily provide lots of publicity (i.e. cover articles) to Guild Wars => Increased Guild Wars sales, Anet happy
New players playing the game because of magazine publicity => More success for Guild Wars, better chance of Guild Wars continuing, better for all players

And that, my fellow GW-players hits the nail on the head. Now I just need to keep refreshing The Riverside Inn for a new GW:EN-thread...

Shmanka · Mar 19, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

I am quite astonished no one has gotten hold of this magazine yet. Either way then, I am certain that there are conditions to publicity yet that has more or less been debated to death and what I would say would just repeat the obvious to the ignorant.

Now from the looks of it:
Some of the article seems to be pouring truth in making sense of somethings.
Some of the article seems to be just complete trash in order for contraversy to begin and arouse, such as this has.
The rest of the article seems to be too detailed for it to be "made up" in numbers yet at the same time I think none of this will be known until Anet just gives information straight out, which IMO they should already have done PC magazine or not. They definitely do not need to release the same information yet people are getting restless IE, leaving the game or not caring anymore.

This is a problem in the community Ingame, more people have viewed these threads then I guess Anet can count. Publicity can be good or bad, but word of mouth is chaotic.

[email protected] · Mar 20, 2007, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

I am quite astonished no one has gotten hold of this magazine yet. Either way then, I am certain that there are conditions to publicity yet that has more or less been debated to death and what I would say would just repeat the obvious to the ignorant.

Now from the looks of it:
Some of the article seems to be pouring truth in making sense of somethings.
Some of the article seems to be just complete trash in order for contraversy to begin and arouse, such as this has.
The rest of the article seems to be too detailed for it to be "made up" in numbers yet at the same time I think none of this will be known until Anet just gives information straight out, which IMO they should already have done PC magazine or not. They definitely do not need to release the same information yet people are getting restless IE, leaving the game or not caring anymore.

This is a problem in the community Ingame, more people have viewed these threads then I guess Anet can count. Publicity can be good or bad, but word of mouth is chaotic.

This is becoming troublesome and i have heard of pll quiting the game for this bad info, we all need to chill down. Anet must be very carefull with these speculations that arise because this can give everyone a bad picture out of a great movie

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It was better that they just said its all a lie than to make pll wonder about the future of the game they are investing

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The magazine info will be for sure ch4, which for sure is already finished, along with the usual updates here and there to the game´s mechanics, but i suspect a graphic update soon not GW2

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Dione Davore · Mar 20, 2007, 05:51 AM // 05:51

On another Forum Gaile postet a delay of the information on "hard mode".
It (the information) will be released on 20-03-2007. It says Evening GMT.
Anet works on GMT -7 so do the math yourself.

Lonesamurai · Mar 20, 2007, 05:54 AM // 05:54

Indeed, so thats any time now and therefore not late

Dione Davore · Mar 20, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Well, it will take a while. Since it's early morning here in Europe.
I'm on GMT +1 and it's 7:00AM here. It's gonna be a long day till the "evening".

wacked_1 · Mar 20, 2007, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dione Davore

On another Forum Gaile postet a delay of the information on "hard mode".
It (the information) will be released on 20-03-2007. It says Evening GMT.
Anet works on GMT -7 so do the math yourself.

sorry to sound stupid lol but i dont understand do you mean that hard mode is being released on the 20th or they are just releasing some info on it?

Tetris L · Mar 20, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by wacked_1

sorry to sound stupid lol but i dont understand do you mean that hard mode is being released on the 20th or they are just releasing some info on it?

Just the info.

Read yourself: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10132816

Oh, and by the way, Gaile didn't specify what time of the day the info will be released.

wacked_1 · Mar 20, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Tetris L

Just the info.

Read yourself: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10132816

Oh, and by the way, Gaile didn't specify what time of the day the info will be released.

aaaah thanks alot

i guessued that would probably be the case. oh and thanks alot for link if it turned out that if it was info being released which it was i was gonna ask for a link to the forum where it was being discussd anyway so ty mate

fabiola · Mar 20, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Magazines that are mailed in the United States are sent typically periodical class. The USPS doesn't guarantee delivery of Periodicals within a specified time. Additionally delivery times will vary but it is typically no later than 14 days from mailing.